A Response To The Continuing Tension Inspired By Michelangelo3

in # blurt •  3 years ago (edited)• 11 min read

I was debating wading into this again, and seeing the open letter to megadrive was the nudge I needed. My apologies it will be both lengthy and controversial and is sure to make several on both sides of this contest of wills agitated with me. I will try to be as concise as possible, despite only having two hours of sleep as I type this.

First, I will address the so called gang which I already have commented elsewhere I didn't and don't view as a conscious collaboration, more of a water rising to its own level. When one builds a community those within that community will obviously have similar interests and by nature will support one another over others who don't share interests. An example is I don't care for art, or I despise the whole selfie narcissistic scene. Of course they don't get my support, and those who I appreciate do.

Using the way one votes this would be my gang,

gang.jpg

https://steem.uber.space/blurt/outgoing-votes/?Acc=practicalthought&Anzahl=8123

In order of Rshares

  • rycharde

  • freakeao

  • elkezaksek

  • northern-tracey

  • leifasaur

  • ajerkoff

  • blurtyield

  • angelica7

  • double-u

  • michelangelo3

And that is my top 10 all time vote rshares since coming to Blurt.

Having said that, there is a truth still to the idea that there is a manipulation that takes place at times. Megadrive (and Tekraze) isn't just imagining that there are manipulations taking place. There are several, and they do indeed originate with double-u.

This became apparent to me when he seemingly out of nowhere (I say seemingly because he obviously uses Discord a lot despite saying he is against it) pushed to force a vote to end all delegations. I'm very thankful to megadrive and the witnesses who stood up and said no.

This further became apparent in that same push when he reached out to ctime to discuss something in the privacy of Discord. I guess that it wasn't something all of us were to know though as when ctime told him he doesn't do Discord the thing needing to be discussed was not worthy of the rest of us seeing what needed discussed.

Logical conclusion of that intent is that there was to be pitched a combined united front to coerce/force the desired outcome in some new form. For sure the fact it wasn't shared publicly after the refusal to meet in the shadows of Discord doesn't suggest it was harmless.

On to the IDUVTS tag. While I see how you conduct yourself and do believe that you in no way intended for it to be discriminatory, it quickly became apparent to me by the very blunt comments made by double-u that it was going to be used for such, at least by himself.

I knew immediately when he asked the Foundation to add a feature to hover over ones name in comments to see the home page of the person that it was to further his openly stated proclamation of no support for anyone using the VTS.

One would have to be pretty dim witted not to understand that much like street gangs having to wear their colors, if one didn't wear this badge that it would be smiled on by him and perhaps others you were to be excluded.

I even wrote a post on it, which I'm pretty sure you read my thoughts on despite not being supportive of. I wish to return to this shortly in this lengthy comment.

Like it or not, it is evident for those willing to see that double-u does push his weight around here. I think some of you who associate with him are getting tarnished somewhat unfairly because of the association, some maybe not so much.

While it is somewhat understandable that he feels he has a lot invested here because he does, that doesn't mean that his motivations and intent is good for everyone. It doesn't mean he owns all of this and can just ram his every desire onto the rest of us.

I watched quietly as afrog melted down and left, his accusations at that time still in the back of my mind as I've watched so much unfold since then. In my opinion in his case, given how much I grew to respect and like them, there is surely some fire where there was smoke.

There is definitely a factor in life we see where those with power have many who will mirror that powerful persons every thought, to gain whatever benefits that will bring. Which in the case of those who are finding themselves on the receiving end of displeasure from these powerful persons will most definitely appear to be a mob of conspirators regardless.

A social community will always be a reflection of life. Different views, tensions that will exist even at times among those who are close. Many times in these relationships there will be a dominant one and a submissive one. It is the rare relationship where the two are strong enough to hold their own when opinions and desires clash, and don't take it personally when they do.

They don't damn one another for opposing views, because of how they treasure one another. Yet will not be silent in damning the view itself. One of the most powerful songs I've ever heard on this exact issue.

https://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/gunsnroses/dontdamnme.html

So I send this song to the offended
I said what I meant and I've never pretended
As so many others do, intending just to please
If I damned your point of view, could you turn the other cheek?

That last line contains such a powerful truth. The key to the social dilemma. Whether cohesion can be had for a large community to form from smaller ones, or whether there will be hatred among the smaller ones because there simply is no turning the other cheek.

I'm a hard man, and I know this. Yet it is this hardness that allows me to speak up no matter who is presenting the idea is. But that is where it must remain. The idea. I'll give a further example of this.

I'm guessing it's pretty apparent now that I don't feel a lot of kinship with double-u. It's hard to when week after week one sees a continuous flex to manipulate. And worth mentioning as well, the way he went after Tomoyan was disgusting. The fact that he felt not enough saw it the first week he did it, but had to share it a second week for those who might have missed it doubling down on the manipulation. Anyway, back to the point.

Despite all of these barriers I see that ensure he isn't someone that will generally be in the glue of my personal community, I don't hate him. I hate many of his ways, and many of his ideas he wishes to foist on others. But I also can see the many good things he does as well, able to see it and not damn him for speaking his point of view. Wary yes, damn him as a man and refuse to see when we align, no.

An example was most recent, one that sent all of these pent up energies loose after such buildup.

The idea that Blurt would officially get involved militarily as a blockchain. I was relieved to see that after consideration and seeing how many of us weren't for that a change in course was made. Before moving on to my point, I wish to use this to contrast the many manipulations I've spoken of with double-u.

If this had been an idea by double-u I have no doubt that there would have been no reversal in push. Perhaps a biding of the time while a new form of attack was planned. So we can clearly see how one path is respectful of the communities, the other seeks to bend the communities to their will.

Anyway, the point.

I saw that post saying we were doing this, and I upvoted every single person weighing in their against the idea of getting involved officially in a military way.

Every single person.

Including double-u.

Because I don't damn double-u just because he at times tries to force the chain down paths that don't respect property ownership. In this case double-u the man held/holds a point of view aligned with my own. So I upvoted him for it.

My path to Blurt was a different one that his. The experiences that shaped us, the views we hold to be truths in the limited perception bubbles.

And despite my harsh assessments and words here regarding him, I in no way have ever felt he would seek to destroy Blurt. I believe his intention, based on his path that led him here feels his ideas are for the betterment of Blurt. I feel different on many of those ideas, but regardless he is not operating as some monster out to crush everyone because he would see the chain fail.

So, I speak up when I believe he is wrong. Keeping in mind that in areas outside of these disagreements, there is always fertile soil that could produce a crop of agreement.

That approach is the ONLY WAY a large community built of smaller different minded communities will EVER HAVE A CHANCE AT COHESION.

To further highlight my point, I would like to mention Elkezaksek in relation to myself.

Based on the list of my gang up above, you can see she is third on my list.

What makes this amazing using only a cursory glance is the fact that she and I are so vastly different in beliefs. I have no doubt if we were in the same room and many topics came up that by the end of the conversation each of us would be shaking our heads wondering how the other could be so dense and misguided.

And yet

Under all of these differences, I still can see her heart. Can see the vast amount of good she does for others to try to alleviate their pain. None of the truths she holds from her path that I disagree strongly with is what makes up who she is. They are points of view I damn, not HER. She is a woman of action who pushes to take action and make a difference to ease suffering.

We, all of us, are trapped in these bubbles of perception. Bubbles that protect us by the ideas we embrace to ourselves as truths. Ideas that are often wrong, especially when as many seem prone to doing, don't question the ideas being foisted on us by so called experts from the time we were children. One needs a strength to walk through ideas while suspending attachments to see the real energy behind a thing. To see the heart behind it.

Right now, as I watch what continues to degrade with folks powering down. Foundation member quitting while urging others to quit as well I see a bunch of folks who seem stuck on damning everyone else for their point of view. Not just the point of view itself.

This routine so many seem stuck in, to make it always all or nothing will never allow for anything but small communities to exist.

It will be curious to see if there will be a calming point where all involved in this highly charged situation will be able to look past the many problem areas that have been festering for some time because they have been held in unspoken. Or if healing can somehow take root here as everyone looks to themselves and asks in what way(s) they have been a catalyst for causing this enmity.

Can look at those they consider standing across the chasm that separates their desires from the other and see the heart of the person, and that heart doesn't qualify them as an enemy. Just the idea(s) that heart might be embracing.

Will be curious to see who will upvote this post 😆

Doing so could jeopardize what gang one is allowed in :/

I know, lets start our own gang. We can call it Blurt.

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  ·  3 years ago  ·  

I would like to request everyone not to politicize all these platforms. Politics is a very bad thing. Due to politics, small users may not be able to reach their destination. I think it's very important for all users to come together. It feels good to move forward together without any discrimination.
Thanks everyone.

Unfortunately it is unrealistic to believe that one can escape politics where groups begin forming. There is a natural diversity of thought and desire among people, vast differences of opinions shaped by our experiences and needs. It is through such differences that politics evolved. Sometimes in a bit to find a bridge across the difference, sadly more often as a chasm schemers will exploit to gain power at the expense of the opposing sides.

The best one can hope to achieve is in understanding ones own motivations and when it is crucial one engage or not.

But despite that, there is a truth I heard long ago that goes something like this.

You might not be interested in politics, but they will be interested in you. Doesn't matter whether one is small or large, there will still be an interest in you.


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  ·  3 years ago  ·  

What foundation? Is there one?

I believe there is, yes. It doesn't have to mean the narrow legal definition of one as some have tried boxing them into.

the act of founding

a basis (such as a tenet, principle, or axiom) upon which something stands or is supported

an underlying base or support

a body or ground upon which something is built up or overlaid

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/foundation

I believe the above definitions fit the founders of Blurt.

  ·  3 years ago  ·   (edited)

I’ve been reading comments claiming it’s just one or two people,not correct?

My understanding is there are three founders, and as time has passed they have hired others such as saboin, tekraze, rycharde, offgridlife, angelica7 and perhaps more I'm unaware of than these to help with the work they do.

Since the recent events of tension have come about they seem to be going by Blurt core now, but I've always thought of them as the Foundation so not sure I'll be able to break that mindset.

  ·  3 years ago  ·   (edited)

offgridlife , a guy who downvoted a friend of mine on Hive for having different opinion then him on Ukraine war. He even called me a Putin puppet for suggesting peace talks instead of full troop load being sent from NATO. Wow I don’t feel good about this at all.

@world-travel-pro , I’m starting to think this place is doomed.,,,

  ·  3 years ago  ·  

Yes brother, I believe that the political party is good. But those who take advantage of this political party are somehow misled.

I'm glad to know that you support all the big and small users. May Allah keep all of you well. Prayers remain for all.

I tend to steer clear of politics especially on things like this, I leave it to people I respect to steer the 'hive'. I also have steered clear of those posts that use VTS purely because they seem to be low value posts anyway. I suspect that's why they use them. I wouldn't interfere with their use tho, up to them.
Please don't leave blurt tho. I would miss you. 😭

Thank you. Sadly it appears the "game" is still being played.

I get sick of people continually leaving a platform over disagreements I am really hoping this can be the platform that allows everyone to do their own thing and communicate rather than just leave.

  ·  3 years ago  ·  

4 months later now, I’m curious where u think things stand? Came across this old post randomly and saw ur reply. As someone I respect here I’m just curious

  ·  3 years ago  ·  

I sticking around ✊😎🥓👍

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  ·  3 years ago  ·  
  ·  3 years ago  ·  

Hi, you seem to be watching every click of my mouse.
I can't go into many points right now, because I'm writing a very long article. It will be my last.
After that you will never have to be angry with me again in your life.
But I can very briefly clarify the point with @ctime.
@ctime had published a post asking the witnesses who supported for COAL and who did not support that.
After that, ctime made his Witness votes.
I had been watching this, and it occurred to me that he had either misunderstood some poorly worded text or got a name wrong. In any case, he gave his very strong vote to a witness who has exactly the opposite view of @ctime.
I just wanted to briefly call his attention to his little mistake.
You would think that was friendly, wouldn't you, if someone pointed out a little mistake to you.
PM message was not possible.
When I then wanted to write him a comment, but he had already noticed his little mistake by itself and corrected.
Fortunately, because it could well have been that I would have received 15 hateful comments from other users on such a comment.
So, you see, I wasn't trying to plot with @ctime to take over the Blurt reigns!

  ·  3 years ago  ·  

So, you see, I wasn't trying to plot with @ctime to take over the Blurt reigns!

lol Conspiracy everywhere

I don't understand the stupidity of those people who don't see the difference between VTS and #iduvts. VTS never votes for accounts from outside own circle. If megadrive and "turban guy" are worrying more about VTS users than about those who do not use them and about investors, maybe they deserved a BLURT sell off. I’m gonna stop buying BLURT for some time, if nothing changes, I will look for another place

  ·  3 years ago  ·  

Hi buddy!

I really respect you for what you have been doing and supporting Actifit but guy should not be referred based on his dressing or Culture. Even though I'm not a Sikh, Turbans refers to lot of great things is Sikhism and has great significance in Indian culture. I hope you take it in a positive way.

  ·  3 years ago  ·  

Hi, I am glad to read from you!
I will publish my last post tomorrow.
I have enough!

  ·  3 years ago  ·   (edited)

First, thank you for clarifying what that was about. The intent behind that post was concerning to me so was easy for me to speculate.

I'm sorry you feel the need to pull away from Blurt because of this, that this has for some time become an all or nothing issue for you. One that for the life of me I can't understand as to why. I've taken great efforts to demonstrate

  • How there is little difference in self voting and VTS.

  • That those who use them are likely very poor in Blurt and they won't make much. They are also likely to not understand how to be social to begin with as we see evidenced in many posts here. They are here in some instances out of desperation and I won't hold that against them. In most cases those who use them would take months or years to receive from them the amount you self vote on pub day. This is not said in any way to chastise you for self voting, I defend your right to do so as I defend VTS users rights. You own that stake and the fact you do share it as much as you do is amazing and has been a positive for Blurt as a whole.

  • That by nature, those who use such services are likely not to get much support to begin with. People by nature will tend in this finsoc setting to at least want those they interact with to care as much about rewarding as they do about receiving.

  • I don't even see a problem with anyone who decides they don't wish to support those who use VTS, or who self vote.

What I've had a problem with is trying to force everyone into complying with how stake owned by others can be used. I've witnessed so much fighting and bickering in my years on social blockchain that revolve around others use of their own property.

I've watched this issue descend into your pushing folks to have a badge, and if no badge you are encouraging through words and action shunning them is ideal. I've watched your comments to those who go to your pub on this issue and it is coercive.

I've watched as you have belittled megadrive openly in your pub. It's clear that if he had buckled to your demands on this issue you would have no fault with him, although that would have actually made him a dictator over how others are to use their privately owned stake here. There is a tone that is demeaning and insulting as it pertains to this issue, and it just seems such a waste of energy for something that most would do without the coercion.

But for whatever reason, this issue has consumed you and sadly seems to be the point where you draw the line and if others won't comply then you are done here.

Despite the harshness of these observations I and others have made, make no mistake.

If you leave, the impact of all the good that you do here will indeed be missed. Many folks who came to treasure your gestures to them, the way you have helped build their corner of the community. It is a sad day that this issue is stronger to you than those bonds, but we each must decide what we can find palatable and once something is not move on for our piece of mind.

I've mentioned many times on Blurt the many ways you are good for Blurt. Including an edification post I named you beneficiary for.

https://blurt.blog/blurt/@practicalthought/edification-corner-issue-2-delegation-issue

One that once again showcased your generosity as you gave the rewards to another with additional money.

But doing many good things doesn't mean one turns a blind eye when bad things are taking place.

And despite all of that generosity, this entire VTS scenario has become an issue similar to Ahab and his whale for you. To such an extent that you move beyond an area that is your right, which is to personally not support those using it. Moving to an area not your right, trying to coerce others not to use or support them, and to jump through hoops pinning a badge to their profile to see if they are in the club or not.

I'm sorry more than you know that things have reached the point they are at now.

If you don't have a change of heart and decide you can somehow coexist with some segment who uses these VTS, and you do leave, I wish you the best. I hope you find a pasture that is more palatable for your generosity, investment and vision.

  ·  3 years ago  ·  

What I've had a problem with is trying to force everyone into complying with how stake owned by others can be used. I've witnessed so much fighting and bickering in my years on social blockchain that revolve around others use of their own property.


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I'm confused as to the point you are making by copy/pasting my words from elsewhere into a reply to myself and another. The closest association I can see is perhaps an off topic point being made on our difference of view regarding copyright and attribution.

  ·  3 years ago  ·  

i'm signaling that i've read your post and found this bit particularly compelling


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  ·  3 years ago  ·   (edited)

Thank you for your comment!
Unfortunately I can only answer very briefly. With us it is just 4 o'clock in the night.
I do not go from blurt. I just close the pub and then have my peace. I do not need to post, then no one can attack me.
I will selectively vote friends and social initiatives, because my power is down very slowly.
It's also not like I made these decisions because of VTS. I myself think I've been way too perfectionist with our initiative IDUVTS. I would have changed that currently anyway. I'm almost indifferent to it by now.
My decision comes from the "war" that megadrive has opened against our German community.
Besides me, other users are affected. It may be possible that they also behave differently from now on.
But please read on Sunday. It's 10 pages ;-) So I'm competing with you a little bit concerning the length ;-)

Edit:
I have to correct: I have now currently decided that my blurt power will now be reduced very quickly after all.

Pardon me if you don't mind... I'm the new guy here. I'm just wondering what "VTS" and "pub" refer to?

  ·  3 years ago  ·  

What I've had a problem with is trying to force everyone into complying with how stake owned by others can be used. I've witnessed so much fighting and bickering in my years on social blockchain that revolve around others use of their own property.


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  ·  3 years ago  ·  

Hi, "VTS" stands for "Vote Trading Services."
"Pub" is a meeting that has been hosted by me for almost 5 years.

  ·  3 years ago  ·   (edited)

I think your accusation has no valid evidence. This can complicate the situation. As in the following text:

On to the IDUVTS tag. While I see how you conduct yourself and do believe that you in no way intended for it to be discriminatory, it quickly became apparent to me by the very blunt comments made by double-u that it was going to be used for such, at least by himself.
I knew immediately when he asked the Foundation to add a feature to hover over ones name in comments to see the home page of the person that it was to further his openly stated proclamation of no support for anyone using the VTS.

In the next paragraph you also state that if you don't use the hashtag #IDUVTS, you will be ridiculed and ostracized by @double-u and other users who use the hashtag. Like the quote below.

One would have to be pretty dim witted not to understand that much like street gangs having to wear their colors, if one didn't wear this badge that it would be smiled on by him and perhaps others you were to be excluded.

I think what you allege is not true. Because the use of this hashtag is not forced at all. @michelangelo3 as the originator of the hashtag suggests using it, but it's not mandatory at all, neither does @double-u, nothing I get from his posts or comments requiring users to use the hashtag #IDUVTS. There is only a suggestion to attach in the profile.

I think these ten people @rycharde, @freakeao, @elkezaksek, @northern-tracey, @leifasaur, @ajerkoff, @blurtyield, @angelica7, @double-u, @michelangelo3, best share for you. Everything is indiscriminate to support all users, they will choose depending on the quality of the post.

I hope to you and all of us to spread the information properly, without making false accusations. Because that would make the problem worse.

Reading is your friend. If you are unable to see the coercion taking place in that pub I can't aid you in seeing it.

And just because you don't mind wearing the tag, doesn't mean all of us don't mind. I don't even use VTS and find the idea of having to place it on my profile because of the "suggestion" that I shouldn't be getting voted if I don't place it there repugnant.

potato/potatoe

choice/coercion

Yes, whose name is not forced, it means that it is not mandatory. If you think labeling your profile with the #IDUVTS tag is burdensome, then don't do it.

After all, no sanctions are applied here. The #IDUVTS label does not restrict all users from interacting and staying in touch.

I don't think this is a problem, so don't worry about it.

  ·  3 years ago  ·   (edited)

I don't think this is a problem, so don't worry about it.

I can see why this isn't a problem for you. You believe you can tell another how to view a thing and what to think about it. There is no meeting of minds between us, so you can have a last word if you wish, but I won't be giving you any more energy, my would be mind dictator who feels has the ability to tell me what to worry about and my need to fall in line with your take on it. 🤣

Everyone has different opinions and thoughts. I appreciate your opinion and thoughts.

I'm just expressing my opinion and thoughts. If you don't like it, that's okay, because I'm not forcing you to have the same opinion as me.

Life is full of discussions, friends!😂

This statement is vastly different than

I don't think this is a problem, so don't worry about it.

I'm glad to see you have reversed your position to allow me to concern myself with what I wish and not what you wish. Thank you.

It's just an expression of my feelings and thoughts and without limiting the opinions of others.

Hi @practicalthought.

I am new and still getting UP to speed with the social ins and outs here on Blurt. I'm wondering what this means?

you don't mind wearing the tag

Surely there aren't people forcing other people to wear badges here on Blurt?

That sounds pretty unfriendly. Labeling (by others rather than being given the choice to self identify) is quite a harmful social practice and history tells all in that reguard.

I'm concerned when I read things like this are happening as a social trend...

But I want to understand what's currently happening here on Blurt.

I have just dove into this pond you see.

Thank you for your attempt to be diplomatic and bring people together around common ground. This I can see (even though I am new) and it is commendable to say the least!

@wil.metcalfe
Comet Ranker

  ·  3 years ago  ·   (edited)

Hi, and welcome to Blurt. I've watched from the sidelines some of your actions on Hive since leaving there, and glad to see you coming over here. There is a toxicity there that is unfixable, unlike here at Blurt. You came at a time of tension for sure, but this will serve as a good lesson on how folks can handle disagreements without censureship and flags to control a narrative.

Instead of trying to explain all of this here in a comment as there are many nuances, I will share with you instead a few posts I've made in the past on this as it has developed.

Before I share, the VTS stands for vote buying service. The badge involved by those against them is/was IDUVTS standing for I dont use vote trading services.

https://blurt.blog/blurt/@practicalthought/on-private-property-and-privacy

It briefly took this turn.

https://blurt.blog/blurt/@practicalthought/i-m-not-responsible-for-you

https://blurt.blog/blurt/@practicalthought/edification-corner-issue-4-why-services-like-upvu-are-good-for-blurt

https://blurt.blog/blurt/@practicalthought/the-road-to-hell-is-paved-with-good-intentions

https://blurt.blog/blurt/@practicalthought/blurt-talk-2-was-blurt-hacked-and-mob-mentality-on-how-others-use-their-stake

I apologize for so much reading, but it reveals a change over time, both in what has been taking place as well as a change in my own understanding.

I don't believe any involved in this have taken their positions in any way to harm Blurt, and in fact for the most part have felt for whatever reason they were acting as they have to make Blurt better from their viewpoint.

After many months of building tension, you came as a seemingly unrelated event (Blurt considering getting involved officially in a military capacity) caused a explosion of all that has been festering over the anti VTS push that has been in some areas relentless.

The power players in this are for the most part very good hearted people, who believe they have been acting in the best interest of Blurt and the community they would see here. But as you can see from one of the blog titles I share with you above, often the road to hell is paved with good intention.

My apologies as I'm sure that these many links will likely result in even more questions than you currently have. I also apologize as I believe there is much involved here I'm unaware of as I have never been to any Discord and I gather there has been much taking place there that has added to the more extreme cases of hostility that recently took place here.

In the end, even those I have spoken against on this issue are great folks and for the most part make Blurt a fantastic place that demonstrates why it is the way forward in ways Steem and Hive can't be.

Here I really have to disagree with you, maybe it's actually the language. double-u has asked to put the letters on the profile.

He is very consistent when it does something. And it's a time saver for him because so many guests come, so he doesn't need to look in Explorer. It's a favor that his guests have been happy to do for him. Please don't confuse that with coercion.

What I also find unfortunate was the wording guests who use VTS are not welcome. That does not mean guests who do not have IDUVTS on their profile are not welcome. Do you understand what I mean?

Hi @michelangelo3,

I'm someone who is new here... and I'm wondering what "IDUVTS" means.

Thank you for filling me in.

@wil.metcalfe
Comet Ranker

Hey wil.metcalfe,

the story has become long and complicated. double-u and some others have decided to stop voting for users who delegate a large part of their power to a trading service like upvu.

Since double-u usually gets 300-400 comments in his pub posts and he can't check with everyone if they have delegated, he has asked his guests to write IDUVTS in their profile if they don't have delegation. This saves him a lot of time and most guests are happy to do him this favour. Unfortunately, this was perceived as coercion by some, so there was a lot of anger.

Now it went so far that all those who voluntarily wrote IDUVTS in their profile were sanctioned if they did not remove IDUVTS from their profile again. In short, I voluntarily wrote IDUVTS in my profile, but I will be sanctioned if I don't remove it again. So I leave it at that, because I will not be blackmailed.

  ·  3 years ago  ·  

"So I leave it at that, because I will not be blackmailed.!

Me too !!!

  ·  3 years ago  ·  

Common guys!

I'm new to this platform and joined after 1 year again. Blurt Blockchain should be welcoming and as big stake holders you guys have bigger role to play. Let's just focus on bringing right projects onto blurt. I have come back again because of @actifit and it will be same with onboarding more and more projects and focus should be in same direction.

  ·  3 years ago  ·   (edited)

Your 100% right Praveen. We see all to much petty and obstinate conflict over on the Hive Blockchain. A friendly and welcoming Blurt is going to go a long way in retaining people and building trust along with Social Capital.

We are both new here...

And we are here for a reason.

We are looking for a social environment that is supportive and UPlifting.

It should feel like a breath of fresh air.

Thank you for speakingUP like this. Taking the initiative and paving the way for others is what this is all about.

Alone its next to impossible to win. Together we all win!

I'm glad to see you here on Blurt my brother! From Steem(it) to Hive to Blurt. You and I are sticking together and continuing to make good things happen everywhere we go! 🙌

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  ·  3 years ago  ·  

Morning 🤬 - Independence Day in America

Please create a small group to talk with on telegram... Not Discord. @world-travel-pro and @ultravioletmag seem like the most Adult here on these chains. You connecting with them in Telegram will give you Accord... Not Discord.
✊🤬🥓👍

I just saw Will was active back here. Hope to see you back !

I agree we all came here mostly as we were sick of the negativity, bickering and arguing along with downvoting lets try and make this a supportive place even if we have completely different ideas. The whole point of no downvote is that we can discuss ideas and in fact have to discuss them rather than just throwing power around and weight.

  ·  3 years ago  ·  

yep


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Whenever people gather, there will be currents of energy that seeks to pull all with it. Sometimes the things to be pulled don't wish to be along for such a ride, and they seek to stop the current from being indiscriminate in who it pulls along for the ride. At times, this seeking to not be pulled into such a current is looked upon with disfavor from those directing the current, and they will seek ways to nullify the areas of safety one has been standing upon to force the ride on the current anyway.

Such actions usually will result with escalating tensions that quite often quickly transports all involved into areas none wished to find themselves in the first place.

We will see who is able to overcome their wounds in the coming days and weeks and who is not. And for those of us left, we can know that the chain has in the end sided on property rights, and defended it from ALL sides.

Please don't allow these squabbles to disenchant you to the treasures that are being uncovered as the dirt has been flying.

Congratulations Your Post has Been upvoted by @blurt-pakistan

  ·  3 years ago  ·  

Or if healing can somehow take root here...

I'd love to see this healing. Sometimes it takes a sore to fester before it gets any care. I'm still seeing one community here called Blurt regardless of which node is turned on. Thanks for putting in words some of my thoughts. In kindergarten and in many elementary school classrooms there is a time out corner. Maybe we all could use a few minutes there.

It's difficult to embrace others who feel you are wrong, especially if they campaign to force the ways on you and others. Once coercion gets involved, things can and often do escalate into a tit for tat situation with all involved feeling justified due to the last actions that took place.

I love the saying that you can't unring the bell. Which is why when folks say or do something, they better be sure beforehand they can withstand the reaction to such an action.

With the amount of bell ringing that has been taking place forcing defensive postures it had to eventuate into a position where there would become offensive postures all the way around. We eventually reach a point where there is no more corner to back into.

I'm hopeful that despite the continuing fallout, that folks most energetically charged in this can take a step back and realize what role if any they played in this. And that we can hate ideas without hating the people who hold them. And that not all bad ideas are necessarily evil intent, they are just bad ideas that for some reason others think is good. It would go far in taking the sting out of disagreements.

  ·  3 years ago  ·  

Blurt should be the place to Blurt out ideas and then realize...
"Um... didn't think that one out well enough."
Then start again.

But this time the start again process will take a little time for everything to settle.

I imagine all of our IRL have become busy enough but you took some time for some practical thought. Thank you

  ·  3 years ago  ·  

Oh, now I'm in another gang....
I am quite amazed that I am in third place.
Yes, it's true, you and I disagree on a lot of things and sometimes I shake my head too....
But we have respect for each other and that's important.
There are some people who are not my favorites and sometimes I also detest some behaviors.
But I can separate that very well, if the person makes a great post, then I honor that too.
It is also not that @double-u and I always agree. We have also had discussions, but we always treat each other respectfully.
I stand by my opinion and am also willing to accept negative consequences like no upvotes or exclusion from the airdrop. I do not bend because of financial threats or disadvantages.
I also always try hard to stay factual and not to offend.
In the last few days it was claimed that I was money hungry and I was insulted as a racist and anti-Semite.
None of this is true, because then I would arrange my life completely differently.
Many people conclude from their own behavior and feelings to others....
And finally:
If @double-u had made the drone post, the criticism would not have been different, even from the German gang, because we do not let ourselves be taken into clan custody!
But thank God @double-u would never think of sending weapons in the name of Blurt....

Oh, jetzt bin ich in noch einer Gang....
Ich bin ziemlich erstaunt, daß ich auf Platz drei bin.
Ja, es stimmt, wir zwei sind in vielen Dingen gegensätzlicher Meinung und manchmal schüttel ich auch den Kopf....
Aber wir haben Respekt voreinander und das ist wichtig.
Es gibt einige Leute, die nicht zu meinen Favoriten gehören und manchmal verabscheue ich auch manche Verhaltensweisen.
Aber ich kann das sehr gut trennen, wenn derjenige einen tollen Post macht, dann honoriere ich das auch.
Es ist auch nicht so, daß @double-u und ich immer einer Meinung sind. Auch wir haben schon diskutiert, aber wir gehen immer respektvoll miteinander um.
Ich stehe zu meiner Meinung und bin auch bereit negative Konsequenzen wie keine Upvotes oder Ausschluß vom Airdrop hinzunehmen. Ich beuge mich nicht aufgrund von finanziellen Androhungen oder Nachteilen.
Ich gebe mir auch immer große Mühe sachlich zu bleiben und nicht zu beleidigen.
In den letzten Tagen wurde behauptet, ich wäre geldgierig und ich wurde als Rassist und Antisemit beleidigt.
Nichts davon ist wahr,denn dann würde ich mein Leben völlig anders gestalten.
Viele Leute schließen von ihrem eigenen Verhalten und Gefühlen auf andere....
Und zum Abschluß:
hätte @double-u den Drohnenpost gemacht, wäre die Kritik nicht anders gewesen, auch von der deutschen Gang, denn wir lassen uns nicht in Sippenhaft nehmen!
Aber Gott sei Dank würde @double-u nie auf die Idee kommen, Waffen im Namen von Blurt zu schicken....

I stand by my opinion and am also willing to accept negative consequences like no upvotes or exclusion from the airdrop. I do not bend because of financial threats or disadvantages.

I respect this, as it is also the stance I've taken over the wear the IDUVTS badge or face exclusion. I don't even use them and even believe it obvious that most who see another selfishly acting in such a way would by nature already not vote those people much if at all without such a badge being demanded.

In the last few days it was claimed that I was money hungry and I was insulted as a racist and anti-Semite.

Such a claim is ludicrous to those of us who know you. Despite not agreeing on the IDUVTS I would say to any who would level such a charge that unlike so many you have dedicated your comfort, resources and time to alleviating suffering. And suffering for another race at that. I'm unsure who leveled the anti semitic charge, or under what line of thinking could possibly be used to make such an assertion.

I've mentioned a few times today that I keep reading things that must be taking place on Discord. I've been seeing things answered in this heated exchange taking place that have answered many misconceptions I've held on subject not directly related to all of this, and once again must say it confirms to myself that Discord is not good.

If @double-u had made the drone post, the criticism would not have been different, even from the German gang, because we do not let ourselves be taken into clan custody!
But thank God @double-u would never think of sending weapons in the name of Blurt....

I would hope so. Despite my opposition to what I see as a stance against property rights by him, I also see the good he and those of you close to him do. I was horrified when I read that post, and was aligned with everyone who was against it. I will further say that if Blurt had officially proceeded with this, I was already prepared to power down and leave because of it. And I knew this immediately.

I wrote a post on it as well. Knowing at the time of writing it I would be leaving if this went forward. But I didn't mention that in my post as it didn't have a direct attachment to why I believed it wrong for the chain to be involved. I would have done what I did at Hive, and just quietly powered down and went on my way.

Thankfully that didn't happen, and the stance was moved to one respecting the stakeholders and each of our possessing freedom to utilize our own stake and blogs as we saw fit to in reaction to what is taking place there.

I stand in defense of property rights and will voice my stance against any scheme to defray those rights. Because once we start down that path, it's over.

Thank you for weighing in, and for being who you are. While we certainly hold many different views, the world needs more who will seek to ease the suffering of others. Putting views aside, I celebrate the ways you express your heart in the comfort of others.

Ich stehe zu meiner Meinung und bin auch bereit, negative Konsequenzen wie keine Upvotes oder Ausschluss vom Airdrop in Kauf zu nehmen. Ich beuge mich nicht aufgrund von finanziellen Drohungen oder Nachteilen.

Ich respektiere das, denn das ist auch die Haltung, die ich gegenüber dem Tragen des IDUVTS-Abzeichens oder dem Ausschluss eingenommen habe. Ich benutze sie nicht einmal und halte es sogar für offensichtlich, dass die meisten, die sehen, dass ein anderer egoistisch handelt, diese Leute schon von Natur aus nicht viel oder gar nicht wählen würden, ohne dass ein solches Abzeichen verlangt wird.

In den letzten Tagen wurde behauptet, ich sei geldgierig, und ich wurde als Rassist und Antisemit beschimpft.

Eine solche Behauptung ist für diejenigen von uns, die Sie kennen, lächerlich. Auch wenn wir uns in Bezug auf die IDUVTS nicht einig sind, möchte ich jedem, der eine solche Behauptung aufstellt, sagen, dass Sie im Gegensatz zu vielen anderen Ihren Komfort, Ihre Ressourcen und Ihre Zeit der Linderung von Leiden gewidmet haben. Und das Leiden einer anderen Rasse noch dazu. Ich bin mir nicht sicher, wer den antisemitischen Vorwurf erhoben hat oder mit welchem Gedankengang eine solche Behauptung aufgestellt werden könnte.

Ich habe heute schon ein paar Mal erwähnt, dass ich ständig Dinge lese, die auf Discord stattfinden müssen. Ich habe gesehen, dass in diesem hitzigen Austausch Dinge beantwortet wurden, die viele falsche Vorstellungen, die ich zu Themen hatte, die nicht direkt mit all dem hier zu tun haben, beantwortet haben, und ich muss wieder einmal sagen, dass es mir bestätigt, dass Discord nicht gut ist.

Hätte @double-u den Drohnenpost gemacht, wäre die Kritik nicht anders ausgefallen, auch von der deutschen Gang, denn wir lassen uns nicht in Sippenhaft nehmen!
Aber Gott sei Dank würde @double-u nie auf die Idee kommen, im Namen von Blurt.... Waffen zu verschicken.

Das will ich hoffen. Trotz meiner Ablehnung dessen, was ich als eine Haltung gegen Eigentumsrechte von ihm sehe, sehe ich auch das Gute, das er und diejenigen von euch, die ihm nahe stehen, tun. Ich war entsetzt, als ich diesen Beitrag las, und schloss mich allen an, die dagegen waren. Ich möchte außerdem sagen, dass ich, wenn Blurt offiziell damit fortgefahren wäre, bereits darauf vorbereitet gewesen wäre, mich abzuschalten und deswegen zu gehen. Und das wusste ich sofort.

Ich habe auch einen Beitrag darüber geschrieben. Zu dem Zeitpunkt, als ich ihn schrieb, wusste ich, dass ich gehen würde, wenn die Sache weitergeht. Aber ich habe das in meinem Beitrag nicht erwähnt, da es keinen direkten Bezug dazu hatte, warum ich es für falsch hielt, dass die Kette beteiligt war. Ich hätte getan, was ich bei Hive getan habe, und wäre einfach still und leise ausgeschaltet worden und hätte meinen Weg fortgesetzt.

Glücklicherweise ist das nicht passiert, und die Haltung hat sich dahingehend geändert, dass die Beteiligten respektiert werden und jeder von uns die Freiheit hat, seinen eigenen Anteil und seine Blogs so zu nutzen, wie wir es als Reaktion auf das, was dort geschieht, für richtig halten.

Ich verteidige die Eigentumsrechte und werde mich gegen jedes Vorhaben aussprechen, diese Rechte zu beschneiden. Denn wenn wir diesen Weg erst einmal eingeschlagen haben, ist er zu Ende.

Vielen Dank für Ihren Beitrag und dafür, dass Sie so sind, wie Sie sind. Auch wenn wir sicherlich viele unterschiedliche Ansichten vertreten, braucht die Welt mehr Menschen, die versuchen, das Leid anderer zu lindern. Abgesehen von den Ansichten freue ich mich über die Art und Weise, wie Sie Ihr Herz zum Wohle anderer zum Ausdruck bringen.

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  ·  3 years ago  ·  

it will be both lengthy and controversial

🤔 (I tried to think of something witty to write here but I suspect you know what I'm thinking so I'll leave it at that)

This became apparent to me when he seemingly out of nowhere (I say seemingly because he obviously uses Discord a lot despite saying he is against it) pushed to force a vote to end all delegations.

And prompted me to change my attitude to Blurt and delegate my stake to UpVu.

I watched quietly as afrog melted down and left

afrog's a legend.

And worth mentioning as well, the way he went after Tomoyan was disgusting.

tomoyan's a legend too.

Despite all of these barriers I see that ensure he isn't someone that will generally be in the glue of my personal community, I don't hate him.

Me neither. I just think he's a self-serving hypocrite.

I saw that post saying we were doing this, and I upvoted every single person weighing in their against the idea of getting involved officially in a military way.
Every single person.
Including double-u.

Booooooooooooooo 👎🏼

I believe his intention, based on his path that led him here feels his ideas are for the betterment of Blurt.

I'm not so sure about this - otherwise he'd have used one of his many backdoors to criticise megadrive, as opposed to doing it so publicly. By making this feud public in the way that it now is has undoubtedly damaged blurt. If you change the last word to "double-u" and then add blurt as a footnote, I believe this sentence would be more accurate.

I have no doubt if we were in the same room and many topics came up that by the end of the conversation each of us would be shaking our heads wondering how the other could be so dense and misguided.

I wonder which side of the table I would sit on if that happened. You'd probably make me sit in the corner with a hat on.

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Right now, as I watch what continues to degrade with folks powering down. Foundation member quitting while urging others to quit as well I see a bunch of folks who seem stuck on damning everyone else for their point of view. Not just the point of view itself.

Who's off then? I hope it's not tomoyan.

everyone looks to themselves and asks in what way(s) they have been a catalyst for causing this enmity.

Dear father, forgive me for I have sinned. When I joined, I called double-u a hypocrite. I saw his manipulative ways and called it out for what it was. I argued with his goons to the point at which I felt nothing but despair. If Blurt is dominated by fools like this, how can I live? I cannot. I must abandon these fools and let them self-vote themselves until there is nothing left to self-vote. I will find a friend in UpVu and he shall be my king. I shall speak to him each day and now I have deprived my king of content for 6 whole days. UpVu, I am sorry. I am sorry that I let double-u's goons lead me down this path. However I am grateful to double-u for showing me how to delegate to UpVu despite the blog on blurt.blog. For this, double-u, I am grateful. You helped me achieve what you fought so hard to ban. Father, please forgive me. I will post something for UpVu now. Another sunrise. I know that you like sunrises.

only having two hours of sleep as I type this.

I only had one hour sleep as I replied.

Do you wanna be in my gang?

I have agreed with a lot of what you say on this matter although I'm not quite as harsh in my assessment of double-u as you are. While I pull no punches in my assessments, I don't believe that he has acted out of a belief his actions would cause harm here to the overall environment. I believe that he has believed that whatever infringements he wishes to install on others is for the greater good despite the slippery slope that brings with it.

I was bothered very much when afrog left. But as I commented just a little bit ago to another, I've grown to understand even recently that there is much taking place here I'm unaware of in the hidden corners of Discord. Which at times has made some of my speculations seem absurd to those who frequent those corners. But unfortunately when one is left to their own devices and must extrapolate the why of a thing based on what is apparent that is an unfortunate destination point at times.

So far, it appears that some of the whales are now going to be leaving, and one of the main developers for the chain has quit and has urged others to follow suit.

A foreseeable conclusion in a contest of wills where one side seeks to place limitations and are thwarted. So as a consequence then seeks a workaround to their goals while trying to undermine those who stood in their way.

All of which could have been so easily avoided if one was to respect property rights. I mentioned in that other comment I alluded to a moment ago with you this. The saddest part is by nature most would exclude voting for others who are selfish and either never voted for others, or always have weak power for voting due to such delegations. The entire campaign to stop them was so needless to begin with.

I wonder which side of the table I would sit on if that happened. You'd probably make me sit in the corner with a hat on.

I actually appreciate civil disagreement. I've made many corrections in my life in my understandings due to them, as well as received at times confirmation my position is correct. The areas where I find it impossible to continue is when the ideas I hold as truth isn't the thrust of the disagreement, and somehow quickly evolves into an attack on myself, especially if it begins using a narrative that doesn't even relate to my position. Yet will double down on such insistence even when clarified by myself that isn't part of my position.

I find you likable enough, and have enjoyed most of our interactions despite not seeing eye to eye on some things. You have a sharp mind and overall I appreciate when you weigh in, even if as even here my assessment is not quite as critical as your own. As long as your views don't seek to encroach on my space I honor your ability to hold thoughts and conduct yourself accordingly even if I think they are wrong. If enough of us would do that society would be a lot better and the poliliars and their true monied constituents wouldn't get away with half the shit they do supposedly in our names.

Do you wanna be in my gang?

I've always been more of a lone wolf kind of guy, weaving my way in and out of the gangs I encounter as the mood hits. At some point the gang usually demands to much and would nail the others to their crosses who don't conform. Safer usually to avoid them hahahaha.

I know you were jesting, as I was when I used my own voting habits to display my gang. People naturally wish to be surrounded by those who mirror them, and reward and see that pool grow. I thought by using myself as an example I could demonstrate that it need not be viewed as some nefarious connection as had been implied elsewhere.

Thanks for weighing in. I often find your candor (even when directed at myself) to be refreshing and good for invoking laughter in a good way.

  ·  3 years ago  ·  

Hi friend, I received some sad news so will reply another day. Stay well.

Stay well.

You as well, and my condolences on what happened that brings sadness to you.

  ·  3 years ago  ·  

Happy to be a part of the gang. I agree and disagree with everyone and keep my head down, curate good posts sometimes even against my beliefs, and write posts that don't side anywhere. I love that about blurt, I can take my own path and only sometimes chime in on issues important to me. Lets not let the conflict of the world bring conflict to blurt. Lets all dance for the moon.

  ·  3 years ago  ·  

I still don't align with you , but you are one i sometimes I have to agree.

You uncovered some truth with some mysteries hidden for people to find themselves.

But I will be focused more on gaming content videos as I am free from dev work now 😁


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I still don't align with you , but you are one i sometimes I have to agree.

There is a saying, that even a clock is right twice a day so perhaps twice a day you will agree with me. 🤣

You uncovered some truth with some mysteries hidden for people to find themselves.

Sadly I suspect many things are mysteries to myself here as well. I find out many things so long after the fact that appear to be common knowledge among the Discord crowd. Even in these latest drama I've seen some things said that answered some of my questions that may have seemed skewed when I've been asking.

I want to thank you for the work you have done here, and wish you luck with your gaming content videos. I'm not a fan of them myself, as I stopped playing videos back with the original NES. So unless you do some videos on them or the older school Atari I won't know what your talking about, lol.

Best of luck to you in your new path.

  ·  3 years ago  ·  

You are right again.
Thanks for uncovering mysteries

Only one or two classics I have recorded



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Will be curious to see who will upvote this post

Überrascht? Vermutlich nicht so sehr. Manches das du ansprichst ist in meiner Wahrnehmung allerdings anders, zum Beispiel:

Surprised? Probably not so much. However, some of the things you mention are different in my perception, for example:

Because I don't damn double-u just because he at times tries to force the chain down paths that don't respect property ownership.

Eigentum bedeutet nicht die unbegrenzte Freiheit damit umzugehen. Wenn jemand um drei Uhr morgens in einem Wohnblock seine Stereoanlage voll aufdreht und damit 10 Familien am Schlaf hindert. Ich denke du wirst mir zustimmen, dass diese 10 Familien die Freiheit zusteht, dem Musikliebhaber Grenzen zu setzten.

Freiheit hat auch bei mir einen sehr hohen Stellenwert, aber nicht unbegrenzt. Ich vermute, dass es speziell in dieser Hinsicht einige Fehlinterpretationen gibt.

Property does not mean unlimited freedom to use it. If someone turns up his stereo at three o'clock in the morning in a block of flats and prevents 10 families from sleeping. I think you will agree that these 10 families are entitled to the freedom to set limits for the music lover.

Freedom has a very high value for me too, but not unlimited. I suspect that there are some misinterpretations specifically in this matter.

We, all of us, are trapped in these bubbles of perception.

Genau, daraus resultieren Fehlinterpretationen. Jemand der selbst von Profitdenken geprägt ist, wird die Handlungen eines anderen auch in diesem Licht sehen. Die Farben mit denen wir andere malen, stammen aus dem eigenen Malkasten.

Exactly, misinterpretations result from this. Someone who is himself shaped by profit thinking will also see the actions of another in this light. The colours we paint others with come from our own paintbox.

there is always fertile soil that could produce a crop of agreement.

Eine sehr schöne Sichtweise die ich mit 100% unterstütze!
A very beautiful view that I support 100%!


Hoffentlich bekommst du bald Gelegenheit zu etwas mehr Schlaf! Ohne von einem Musikliebhaber gestört zu werden :-))
Hope you get a chance for some more sleep soon! Without being disturbed by a music lover :-))

Property does not mean unlimited freedom to use it. If someone turns up his stereo at three o'clock in the morning in a block of flats and prevents 10 families from sleeping. I think you will agree that these 10 families are entitled to the freedom to set limits for the music lover.

I don't find your comparison to music to be a good fit here.

If one is honest there is really not a lot of difference for example between VTS and self vote. As I mentioned in another post, it is hypocritical to be against one while being a heavy user of the other. If one action is supposedly harming the community then by default the other one is as well.

I remember seeing this crap at Steem, then Hive.

They waged a war against Haejin because according to them, he was

raping the reward pool

The disingenuous comparison is an amplified one for sure to your own here with the music, but not a good comparison to make between a violent action such as rape and collecting promised rewards based on investment as the chain math suggests as an enticement for investment.

I remember when a community member stole 20k+ of Haejins money. I spoke out against it, despite almost the entirety of my community hating him for being such a rapist of monetary pools. I spoke out despite not having any association with him, and generally not thinking what he did was a benefit for the community. I expected to lose some of my support for defending him. But my defense was the right thing to do, both because theft is wrong and because I see the value in folks who want to invest for a return.

https://hive.blog/steemit/@practicalthought/dstors-needs-to-return-haejins-money

I've always believed in respecting property ownership. Even when that ownership doesn't benefit me. Or even as in the case at Steem when that took place, the idea of the claim he was exerting was negatively impacting all others claims were accurate. A claim that is NOT accurate here by the way. There is literally no difference in pull from using a VTS or self voting. NONE.

You can see in the comment section of my post there, that some of my circle begrudgingly sided with Haejin, and several actually tried defending the theft of his money because Haejin bad.

Haejin had been the target of misalignment for some time. All because he chose to use HIS stake as he wanted. I see this IDUVTS as the beginning of the same exact process. I've watched it evolve in that pub as double-u makes sure to repeat adnauseum his I wont vote you and encourage others not to vote you unless you wear this badge. I even saw one time where after grilling one about it then asking them if they were cryptopie.

I've watched as after he didn't get to ram his way on the taking away of delegations begin referring to Megadrive as a dictator, and we need to wait until July to see if he steps away. And I think to myself, by wait he means till he can fill the void he sees as dictator and be the dictator himself.

Just as he has the right to self vote as much as he wants, others have the right to do with their stake as they see fit. On Steem and Hive the mobs would be coming for double-u for raping the pool with his self voting. Mobs stirred by the same desire to stop anothers use of their own stake.

So when you say

Someone who is himself shaped by profit thinking will also see the actions of another in this light. The colours we paint others with come from our own paintbox.

I see this in a few ways. The first and most personal way I will address first is my own benefit from delegation.

I do profit from them, but just as I defended property rights years ago in the case of Haejin, I would defend them here whether I had delegation or not. It is quite frankly no one elses business what another is doing with their stake. The moment it becomes others business is when one can no longer believe we can own stake. It's like the saying if you need permission from government to do something, it's no longer a right.

My second point would be this. While I have mentioned several times I see wonderful things double-u does here along with the bad, it would be foolish to believe he invested so heavily because he wasn't profit minded. He did so because at the end of the day he believed(s) it a gamble that could have fantastic returns based on his assessment when he made it. No way would he have put the money here if he saw it as a future loss for himself. No way would he self vote as much as he does if some of this wasn't profit driven.

It would be disingenuous for most here to say none of this is about profit.

The question then is can we stomach the ways/views others go about the grabbing of the profit?

Some are short term thinkers, others long term thinkers.

I saw pretty quick at Steem that my overall success was tied to the success of others, which was why I invested the little I had and used a lot of it to rent delegation to award those I would commune with higher upvotes. Because i saw that investment in them was and is an investment in myself, as community prospers so do all in that community.

But that view I hold doesn't mean all who hold a more direct view of wanting a quicker more selfish return are bad. I view them as being shortsighted, and to be blunt they probably view me as being naive and idealistic and one of the bagholders who made their quick profits possible. But despite that, I see their value to what takes place here. And more important

I respect their property rights to their share as much as I do my own claim to the shares.

For the record, I have no problem with how others vote. If you don't want to vote for people who are selfish and use VTS (or self vote) then don't. But to make badges one must wear to get votes while droning on incessantly about the need to place the badge on ones profile is over the line. It moves from a personal choice most would logically make to begin with to one where it's comply or else.

I think that part really gripes me. Most as you say are profit driven, or they would be somewhere else without all the James Bond protocols that are free to blog and interact. So by nature if someone sees another who isn't interacting in the community, who never has power to vote others the likelihood of them getting much to any support is pretty slim anyway.

I also wonder as an abstract about those who are top notch creators. Who desire to create a product that elsewhere they are paid and quite handsomely paid at that to produce. Are they welcome here if they don't interact and only see Blurt as one of many outlets for their highly coveted creations? Or are they too to be driven away and shunned because they aren't community minded enough?

My take is Blurt needs investors, and telling the bulk of investors they aren't welcome here unless they jump through certain hoops of community usage of their investment (and then wear their badge to prove it for social signaling) is chasing those investors away.

there is always fertile soil that could produce a crop of agreement.

Eine sehr schöne Sichtweise die ich mit 100% unterstütze!
A very beautiful view that I support 100%!

I had no doubt you would. These disagreements over matters as these can be so highly charged it is easy to forget that it's the idea that is charged and not necessarily the folks using them as shields or swords. I believe there is an amplification taking place here, further magnified in part due to language barriers and relying on translators that aren't always the best at proper translation.

Sadly it is a part of our nature to develop cliques to a point where they go from being contained and to an extent benevolently ignoring what is not desired to becoming malevolently aggressive and intruding into boundaries of other cliques who don't hold the same views and reasoning. I have seen in my view this happening with the IDUVTS and the person I see who is responsible for this I've not been shy about naming. As have others so not just something I imagine.

If we would all stop worrying about how others exercise their property rights here (especially since it doesn't impact your own rights) and respect this we could spend that energy growing the communities we would see thrive and make them stronger. Let those looking for communities decide for themselves which vision holds more value to them. Let each vote with their claims to the pool to grow what has value for them.

Thank you as always for being open to my thoughts, even if we don't necessarily agree on the issue. I have gotten a little more sleep now, and should catch up on the rest later today. :)

For me, the IDUVTS story is also over, because it has caused far too much tension. And I also think that views have become ingrained on both sides that have nothing to do with the original idea.

The story is long, it started three months ago. I was not able to explain the difference between a flesh and blood user like you and me and an automated account programmed to harm Blurt. You may remember that there was an account that posted hundreds of pornographic images every day. We raised the fees because we had no other option. That drove the spammer away, but it hurt the small accounts most of all.

I was looking for a solution to limit such accounts without hurting the small accounts. The same argument kept coming up: we must not restrict freedom. One witness then said very aptly: which freedom are we talking about, the freedom to express one's opinion or the freedom to harm Blurt.

At least I had the feeling that some of them deliberately didn't want to understand that. Maybe I was wrong about that, but after so long my energies are exhausted and I also don't see any basis to move anything here anymore. My mistake was to go in with VTS, so the matter became a discussion of property rights and freedom.

Einstein once said, it is easier to split an atomic nucleus than a prejudice. I am probably also perceived as a dictator who wants to restrict the freedom of users. Which in turn I find very painful, as I myself have been coerced for over a year and have been threatened with the loss of my job since December should I not get the shot. Many things play together and mix into a terrible tasting broth.

Thank you very much too, you are always a good compass for me. Basically I see things similarly, except for the small difference that based on my observations on Steem, I don't see upvu as useful in the long run. Maybe someday there will be a service we would both be happy with. Some kind of curation account that specifically supports small accounts and pays the delegators the curation rewards.

Maybe someday there will be a service we would both be happy with.

I keep suggesting that it might be beneficial if the chain allowed folks to just claim rewards as though they were voting (self voting even) and it would immediately do a couple of things.

  • For pure investors with no desire to blog would give a maximum return as though they were interacting. This would do much for those who seek a high return, and being in lots of investment. This would see Blurt valuation go through the roof for all of us as it would create a new demand and scarcity.

  • It would diminish some of the crap posts we see that those not seeking a community post to use currently as a vehicle to claim their returns using hoops such as VTS to maximize their return for the least effort. The VTS for the larger investors is merely a workaround that they are willing to pay a fee to utilize. For the smaller users this could also be beneficial, as it could cut those fees down and allow them to get more of their return.

Granted, it wouldn't stop the lower staked accounts who are here from posting bad posts. But I believe a lot of that is there are large groups of people who don't understand how to be social. They come from areas with customs quite foreign to the west. Areas that frown on public opinions, or just simply don't hold many of the same routines and customs. So they buy into the idea that because certain boring topics have a lot of posts according to Google they will write on that since that is what those in the more monied cultures seem to desire.

I could go on ad nauseum on how those topics, while highly searched at times are designed very specifically for a small segment of folks with that problem or desire, and the odds of many actually being here at Blurt who will also see it posted are pretty small.

I often wonder if for those folks some kind of initiative could be formed that teaches to focus on the social side, on how to form connections on a more personal level that is not familiar to many in their local settings. Between those customs and adding in language barrier issues it appears to me to trap some into a position of doomed to fail sadly. I will confess that there are a few here in our midst who understand they are here with this impediment and try very hard to overcome it that at times makes my heart weep for them as they stumble through trying to hard. I applaud them for having the cognizance to understand there is a problem and seeking to create that bridge, yet weep that in some ways at times they fall short I suspect due to their not understanding quite fully what it is they are bridging to.

My apologies for veering somewhat off topic on this, I don't find reason often to talk of this thing that bothers me and this topic has veered close enough I took the opportunity.

You may remember that there was an account that posted hundreds of pornographic images every day.

That action kept me from joining Blurt on January 1st. I had been waiting so all of my actions converting all my Hive to Blurt would fall in the new tax year. I suspected it was the whale BernieSanders as he had a long history of such actions as his bots followed those on his destroy list to post genitalia or hurtful words as the bot downvoted.

My understanding was there was some witness loophole he used that allowed witnesses to post without incurring fees, but perhaps I misunderstood.

I was looking for a solution to limit such accounts without hurting the small accounts.

My mistake was to go in with VTS, so the matter became a discussion of property rights and freedom.

I will admit I don't understand how you jumped to the VTS from the position to stop what happened in that attack. I don't see those who use it to be attempting to attack anything. A few who invest heavily use it to maximize their returns here without the time sink many of us put in, and the many use it because as I said earlier, they are desperate and handicapped in that they don't understand how to make connections with the accounts who can help ease their desperation. Many here worry about their next meal, maybe owning a good pair of shoes, or medical for their children or parents etc. It isn't that they want to defraud us as the main thrust of their actions. They just don't know how to connect in a way that will build naturally and are blinded by the harsh truths that life is confirming to them in a harsh manner they better act on and quickly.

Once again, I apologize for perhaps over explaining any of this as I know your heart and that you understand much of this. I just feel it is necessary as a context to analyze who most of the people are using these VTS and by extension their reasons for doing so.

The person who attacked the chain has no need for a VTS. They are quite wealthy, made so by the initial mining of Steem that day it all began. That person could probably single handedly buy so much Blurt without making much of a dent in their Steem created wealth to send Blurt into valuations of a dollar or more.

I am probably also perceived as a dictator who wants to restrict the freedom of users.

Perhaps by those who don't know your heart. While my own reactions to this whole IDUVTS has been strong, it is only due to yourself and Elkezaksek that I haven't gone what I consider scorched earth over it myself. The two of you having participation in this has probably been good for me, as it has given me cause to pause in my open reaction due to your participation despite what I've been seeing grow into what seems very coercive to me and others.

I wish to address your comment you made here

https://blurt.blog/blurt/@michelangelo3/r899jt

Instead of where you made it. I do so because I need to disengage with the person there and after I address their last comment I will no longer be engaging with them. It will only lead to harsher words I assume and I will be disengaging there as it serves no purpose.

You said there

You disagree with me on there being a coercion taking place. Yet I have watched from the beginning, and I imagine many like myself who are not on the inside of this thought on VTS will see a different angle than those inside.

I watched as the initial push to ban VTS happened. I was vocal against that when it popped up.

Then I was taken by surprise when the response wasn't satisfactory to not stopping them was a rushed vote out of nowhere to now widen the circle to be stopped, which was ALL delegation. So not only no backing away, there was a doubling down that widened the demanded area to be changed.

I've watched week after week as more narrative was pushed in the pub, first a demand that those visiting use the IDUVTS tag, or there would be no welcoming. You say this wasn't anything being forced, but when those visiting didn't use it, they were immediately asked about it. Some who do use them were told it wasn't welcome there as well.

Then after the vote failed to stop all delegation, I watched as derogatory language has now been incorporated towards co founder megadrive, referring to him as a dictator. Yet to those of us outside of this push, it was clear that one side in this (the IDUVTS side) were the ones trying to dictate, and as their efforts failed some began using language that was very coercive and attacking. Much like a child who throws a tantrum.

I don't have the time nor inclination to make a list to support the many small instances of coercion I saw, especially since many of them were so minor that on their face standing alone they could be viewed innocently enough. But when viewed from outside they cumulatively began taking a coercive cohesion.

I'm glad you acknowledge where this was said in the pub and wasn't a good look.

Users who use VTS (Vote Trading Services) are not wanted here!

Another instance I saw as clearly coercive in trying to push this outside of the pub was when I saw this.

It would also be great if you would imitate this initiative with your "following list". Only this way we have a chance that Blurt will not become what Steemit has become because of VTS.

In closing, I only bring any of that up to perhaps give you a view from outside looking in as I have at this.

I'm glad that it will be dropped. I'm also sorry that the perception on those being attacked on the foundation side who felt there was a coercion being aimed at them felt the need to make a rebuttal similar to my own only vastly expanded that saw a picture painted of a gang when to myself and most also looking in from outside of their view can clearly see an association of like minded folks who appreciate one another.

I'll confess that this last week or so with all of the charged actions have been unsettling to all of us, and I mention elsewhere sadly a bell can't be unrung.

I'm hopeful that after the debris from all of this fallout is removed, those who have been active participants to casualties will be able to lick their wounds and not see the other side as enemies. I believe this has festered for to long among many as stakes were raised, and at the end of the day there is much goodness in the hearts here.

I thank you for being my friend. I've always separated this differing view we have had on this from my appreciation for the man that you are. I don't call people friends, can count them on less than two hands for my entire life. It is a signal of my high esteem of you that I say this to you.

I don't find reason often to talk of this thing

I was aware that many find it difficult to get started, but the background less. Perhaps some kind of interaction course would be a useful thing.

without incurring fees

Yes, there was another attack that exploited this vulnerability.

I will admit I don't understand how you jumped

Berni and upvu are individual accounts, so the strategy would be similar. And there was actually a very good proposal on how to restrict acconts with the approval of 17 witnesses. However, the restriction would only affect voting or posting, the wallet is off limits. In this proposal, the community would have the ability to intervene by changing their Witness votes. I thought this was an excellent suggestion, i.e. Bernie would probably have been unable to post his pictures within a day. Whereas with upvu, I'm sure longer discussions would have been necessary. For example, I would have voted to increase fees at upvu to prevent it from growing further. Anyone who didn't like that decision could vote me out as a Witness. Just one example of how this system would have worked.

I'm glad you acknowledge where this was said

The divisive effect has not escaped me either, perhaps you noticed this comment from me 14 days ago. Unfortunately I didn't make it back to publish an explanatory post. I also like to believe you that the perception was different for people who were not so closely involved.

perhaps give you a view from outside

I know and I thank you for that. I think a good friend tells you when you've lost your way. You tried, but I did not listen enough.

Well, for me it also has something good, I will close the book Blockchain for me. The time I spent with it was too much. I'll still check in from time to time, so don't worry, we won't lose track of each other.

I'll still check in from time to time, so don't worry, we won't lose track of each other.

Thank you. I'll do what I can to see that Blurt survives the current crises and perhaps evolves into something that will be more palatable down the road.

Earlier you mentioned the coercion you have felt in your physical life. A coercion that to varying degrees has been exerted on all but those who rule, who flaunt they are immune to any mandates they issue.

Feeling impotent is dysfunction at it's highest really, and then to have it extend into years is an experiment into dis-ease the likes of which one only finds within war. Which I believe this is, a war on the peoples of the world.

Sadly it is human nature for most to seek an outlet for the frustration impotence causes. Often manifesting in actions by many that under more stable circumstances would never have taken place.

I look at the fallout occurring after a sad situation that I have to believe was amplified on all sides to some extent by these unique, extreme circumstances all of us have been forced under.

You have touched so many here, and I know I speak for others when I say I'll look forward to when you check in. The bonds formed here for many supersede any token valuations that may exchange from one to another. As with your previous absence, you will be missed greatly.

For myself, it was a grave injustice to equate these bonds with an inner circle gang. It is what one wishes to take place on a social blockchain, for the social part to reach a place where bonds of caring are greater than the economic part of the equation. While my sympathies do go out to megadrive and tekraze for what was stressful in this, I don't know if they understand the implications of the charges made, in the way they were made.

They weren't wrong about connections, but were wrong in regards to the why and implications of such. I also see any action to seek a determent of this bonding as I now see taking place also as an attack on property rights and freedom of association and will be watching it carefully to see where it leads.

But I ramble on as always, my apologies.

As with last time, my witness vote will remain for you although I'm sure you might have already shut it down as you did your outgoing vote counter. If you never come back, it can serve as a testament to what has been lost.

As with last time, my witness vote will remain

[EN]
Feel free to remove your vote, I will turn off my node forever in a few hours.

Very briefly why. The reasons come from my gut, it's just a personal choice from the sea of possibilities. I'm not saying it is. It's only just how I've experienced the last weeks:

Propaganda methods, as we can unfortunately observe outside the Chain.

Distortion of facts, partial truths, defamation.

For example, it has been insinuated that we have prevented the development of tools that expose abuse in order to cover up our own misdeeds. Parts of our community were portrayed as a vote-circle, which creates a false impression, this was for me a deliberate defamation.

The thief shouts, "Stop the thief." This is how I experienced it.

Indirect insults

A: all cherries are green
B: all those who say cherries are green are stupid
A: why are you insulting me
B: I didn't mean you, it was just in general.


The list is much longer, you have experienced it yourself, so I will end here.

I suspect that megadrive felt threatened in his position of power by our community and therefore resorted to such means. As written above, I'm not saying that's the case, that's my subjective perception.

But that also tells me that I cannot continue to support Blurt under this leadership under any circumstances. My vision of a fair chain was destroyed the last few weeks, this is beyond repair.

Watch well my friend, you may be trusting someone who is not worth it. And just a quick note about double-u, I've known him for over three years. He has a big thick head, just like me, but an even bigger heart.


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Du kannst dein Vote ruhig entfernen, ich werde in wenigen Stunden meine Node für immer ausschalten.

Ganz kurz warum. Die Gründe stammen von meinem Bauchgefühl, es ist nur eine persönliche Auswahl aus dem Meer von Möglichkeiten. Ich behaupte nicht, dass es so ist. Es ist nur, wie ich die letzte Zeit erlebt habe.

Propaganda Methoden, wie wir sie leider auch außerhalb der Chain beobachten können.

Verdrehung von Tatsachen, Teilwahrheiten, Diffamierung

Es wurde zum Beispiel unterstellt, wir hätten die Entwicklung von Tools verhindert, die Missbrauch aufdecken um unsere eigenen Schadtaten zu verschleiern. Teile unserer Gemeinschaft wurden als Vote-Zirkel dargestellt, was einen falschen Eindruck erzeugt, dies war für mich eine absichtliche Diffamierung.

Der Dieb ruft: "Haltet den Dieb". So habe ich das erlebt.

Indirekte Beleidigungen

A: alle Kirschen sind grün
B: Alle die sagen, Kirschen sind grün sind dumm
A: warum beleidigst du mich
B: Ich habe dich nicht gemeint, es war nur allgemein.


Die Liste ist noch viel länger, du hast es selbst erlebt, also werde ich hier beenden.

Ich vermute, dass megadrive sich in seiner Machtposition durch unsere Gemeinschaft bedroht fühlte und deshalb zu solchen Mitteln gegriffen hat. Wie oben bereits geschrieben, ich sage nicht dass es so ist, das ist meine subjektive Wahrnehmung.

Das sagt mir aber auch, dass ich Blurt unter dieser Führung keinesfalls weiter unterstützen kann. Meine Vision einer fairen Chain ging die letzten Wochen kaputt, das ist nicht mehr zu reparieren.

Beobachte gut mein Freund, es könnte sein, dass du jemand vertraust, der es nicht wert ist. Und noch kurz zu double-u, ich kenne ihn seit über drei Jahren. Er hat einen großen Dickschädel, genau wie ich, aber ein noch größeres Herz.

Ich werde es so belassen, wie es ist. Als ein Zeugnis für das, was verloren gegangen ist. Und als Wunschdenken, dass du (und die anderen, die gehen) vielleicht in einem ultimativen Spiel erkennen wirst, dass Blurt aus vielen Dingen und Menschen besteht und nicht nur aus denen, die beschlossen haben, die Dinge von ihrer Seite aus persönlicher zu machen.

Es gibt hier viele, die dich lieben, und andere, die dich verlassen, und vielleicht hoffe ich törichterweise, dass das wertvoller sein kann, als anderen zu erlauben, dich wegzustoßen. Oder, wie es der Fall zu sein scheint, für immer zu verschwinden.

Meiner Meinung nach gab es viel Verzerrung und Propaganda von beiden Seiten, und während die meisten von euch, soweit ich das gesehen habe, das nicht getan haben, hat die Beschimpfung von Megadrive als Diktator für einige Wochen meiner Meinung nach dazu beigetragen. Seine Weigerung, einen Punkt zuzugestehen, der nach Meinung vieler von uns nicht hätte zugestanden werden dürfen, machte ihn nicht zum Diktator, und im Laufe der Zeit versuchte er, einen Weg zu finden, um eine gemeinsame Basis zu finden (z.B. die Kohleliste und der Punkt, an dem die VTS der Prüfung durch die Stiftung standhalten musste, bevor ihre Brieftaschen Delegationen erhalten konnten).

Ich schreibe all dies mit traurigem Herzen und auch ein wenig Wut, während ich beobachte, wie das Trolling der anderen Seite weitergeht.

Ich entschuldige mich dafür, dass ich es für nötig hielt, das oben Gesagte zu erwähnen, aber ich wollte klarstellen, dass es in der Öffentlichkeit verzerrte Propaganda gab, die von beiden Seiten ausging, und aus der Sicht der meisten von uns stammte sie nicht von Megadrive. Seine Antwort (nach langer Zeit) war für viele von uns völlig überzogen und enthielt auch das, was viele, wie ich, für Propaganda halten, wie ich in diesem Beitrag hier erwähne.

Ich nehme an, dass er einen Punkt erreicht hat, an dem er das Gefühl hatte, dass es keinen Kompromiss gab, der die Stimmung in der Kneipe befriedigt hätte, und nach wiederholten gescheiterten Versuchen und der Beschimpfung als Diktator sagte er schließlich: "Scheiß auf sie, es geht los. Ich kann dieses Spiel auch spielen.

Ein Teil dieser Antwort ist eine direkte Antwort auf Ihren anderen Kommentar an mich nach diesem. Sie erwähnen, dass man nicht vertrauen sollte.

Ich werde offen sein, wenn ich sage, was ich heute Morgen an anderer Stelle gesagt habe

https://blurt.blog/blurtgerman/@practicalthought/r8dsjs

dass es nichts Hässlicheres gibt als einen wunden Gewinner. Ich bemühe mich sehr, meine Emotionen aus der Sache herauszuhalten, denn sie würden mich auch dazu bringen, wegzugehen. Das alles war so unnötig, dass es zu diesem Punkt gekommen ist. Und mein Herz empfindet Trauer über den Verlust, der passiert ist.

Das sagt mir aber auch, dass ich Blurt unter dieser Führung unter keinen Umständen weiter unterstützen kann.

Ich sage all das, um zu sagen, dass es mich traurig macht, dass das Bleiben und die Unterstützung der Gemeinschaft nicht stärker ist als eine Person in der Leitung. Ich respektiere, dass du das nicht auf sich beruhen lassen kannst, wie ich in dem Kommentar, den ich oben verlinkt habe, gesagt habe.

Aber ich möchte, dass Sie keinen Fehler machen. Genauso wie diejenigen von uns, die draußen zusehen, es als hässlich empfanden, wie Megadrive in den letzten Wochen und Monaten über die VTS gemalt wurde, war das eine Reflexion über die Person, die das sagte, und nur über diese Person. Und mit der gleichen Wahrheit ist die Art und Weise, wie viele von Ihnen in der deutschen Gemeinschaft dargestellt wurden, für die Beobachter außerhalb der VTS kein Hinweis auf irgendjemanden von Ihnen, sondern nur auf die Person(en), die dies als den Fall dargestellt haben. Ich und andere haben diese Bandenidee sofort als lächerlich bezeichnet.

Ich werde dies jetzt beenden, da meine eigene Ohnmacht mich dazu bringt, weiter zu tippen, um die Verbindung noch ein wenig länger aufrechtzuerhalten.

I'll leave it as is. As a testament to what was lost. As well as wishful thinking that perhaps in an ultimate gambit you (and the rest leaving) will see that Blurt is many things and people and not just those who've decided to make things more personal from their side.

There are many here who love you and others that are leaving, and perhaps foolishly I hope that can be more valuable than allowing others to push you away. Or as seems the case, from being gone for good.

There has been much distortion and propaganda from both sides from my view, and while most of you from what I saw weren't doing this, the contributing name calling of megadrive as dictator for some weeks helped push this in my opinion. His refusal to concede a point many of us also felt shouldn't have been conceded didn't make him a dictator, and over time he did try to find some way to make common ground (i.e. the Coal list and making it to where the VTS had to meet the scrutiny of the Foundation before their wallets could receive delegations).

I type all of this with saddened heart, and a little anger as well as I watch what appears to be trolling from one on the other side to continue.

I apologize I felt the need to mention the above, but I wanted to make it clear there has been distorted propaganda in the public arena that was from both sides, and from where most of us sit it didn't originate with megadrive. His response (after much time) was way over the top to many of us, and also presented what many such as myself believe to be propaganda as I mention in this post here.

I'm assuming he reached a point where he felt there was no compromise short of complete acquiescence that would satisfy the sentiment being cultivated in the pub, and after repeated attempts that failed coupled with being called dictator he finally said fuck them, its on. I can play this game too.

Part of this response is a direct answer to your other comment to me after this one. You mention not to trust.

I'll be blunt when I say as I say elsewhere this morning

https://blurt.blog/blurtgerman/@practicalthought/r8dsjs

that there is nothing uglier than a sore winner. I am trying very hard to keep my emotions out of this, as they would have me also walk away. This all was so unnecessary to have reached this point. And my heart feels grief at the loss that is happening.

But that also tells me that I cannot continue to support Blurt under this leadership under any circumstances.

I say all the above to say it causes me grief that staying and supporting the community isn't a stronger pull than one person in the leadership. I respect you can't let this go as I stated in that comment I linked above.

But I want you to make no mistake. Just as those of us outside watching felt it was ugly some of the ways megadrive was painted over the VTS in the last several weeks and months, that was a reflection on the person saying it and only that person. And using the same truth, the way many of you in the German community were painted is no reflection on any of you to those of us outside watching, only on the one(s) who presented that to be the case. I and others immediately called this gang idea out as being ludicrous.

I'm going to close this out now, as my own impotence is making me wish to continue typing to keep the connection going just a little longer.

I don't know if they understand the implications of the charges made, in the way they were made.

I guess that applies to both sides.

There are many realities, but only one truth. I live in my reality which contains only a spark of truth. I am convinced that in the time ahead, when we are exposed to massive propaganda, it is very beneficial to know that you can only know the truth to some extent. It frees one from the compulsion of having to defend one's reality.

I do not mean to suggest that I am capable of doing this. I'm still practising ;-) Too bad I can't write more, I have to go to work.

  ·  3 years ago  ·  

if you think a group of 250 people or great can form a consensus, that would be your first mistake.

Its VERY unlikely there will be any social cohesion on any network over 250 in number. You are talking about a needle in a hay stack type of social reality, that may be too idealistic for the realty we live in with low IQ people who are respected for what they are worth, instead of relentlessly questioned about their lack of knowledge.

The ignorance from blockchain developers and big holders of coins, is much like 12 year olds playing video games and quickly turns into a 12 year olds depiction of a celebration of success with fluffy little ego boosts for everyone.

This whole 3D trend is the most repulsive thing to me, and I will not be supporting any sort of 3D social lives because that's the polar opposite of what i look for in a social life.

Thanks for the thought provoking post.

Sadly I think you might be right. I realized many years ago that most of the problems being caused in every community I've lived in is the result of decisions being made by people NOT living in the community.

When you say 3D trend, is that the whole megaverse crap where they want folks to live fake lives inside a simulated reality? I've been seeing more of that, and it scares me how many think they want such a thing. I've seen it already though as I see folks who cant stop staring at their black screens, even when they walk or drive. Friends who will get together so they can ignore one another as they stare into their black screens.

  ·  3 years ago  ·  

i want a 3D video game for fun, not amazon simulator 2000 lol its so funny how much of a joke their 3D shopping is at wal mart as well

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  ·  3 years ago  ·  

The drama bores me, not being part of it, and those you speak of do not know I exist, thank god.

  ·  3 years ago  ·  

Ditto. I have no idea what this is about! And would rather not.

  ·  3 years ago  ·  

Boring is it not, a fight with no cause, seems a fight just for the fun of it, welcome to the over privileged world.

  ·  3 years ago  ·  

I appreciated his making the distinction between a person's views and the person though. This is really basic. Every parent and teacher has heard this maxim - the behavior is not the child. This has been forgotten in dealings that are adult on adult, and a whole lot of the bullying we try to correct in our children flares up in adulthood. Maybe we should just let children bully each other so they learn the harm it does before they get power over others as adults.

  ·  3 years ago  ·  

You are Unique One here at Blurt Love from Pakistan

  ·  3 years ago  ·  

This post really shows who you are.

When you show your strengths, then people will know your weaknesses.


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  ·  3 years ago  ·  

Pictures at a Heart Exhibition...



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I was perplexed by the connection to the post until I read the top comment on the video.

So many great things about this recording: written by a Russian composer, played by a Midwestern American orchestra, conducted by a Hungarian, and performed in Japan. Thank you for posting!

  ·  3 years ago  ·  

Imagine if paintings could start arguing with each other.


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  ·  3 years ago  ·  

I didn't imagine it.


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