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3 years ago by practicalthought
685.11 BLURT
51 votes $1.53- Pending payout amount: 0.00 BLURT
- Breakdown:
- - Author 0.00 BP
- - Curators 0.00 BP
- Beneficiaries:
- - elkezaksek: 20.00%
- - powerclub: 20.00%
- - saboin: 20.00%
- - tekraze: 20.00%
- Payout 3 years ago
It’s crazy when you see these dead accounts wifh all that blurt or tokens and no one doing a thing wifh them.
The guy could just stroll in and effectively take control of the whole network and he perhaps doesn’t even know blurt exists.
Yeah I about fell out of my chair when I saw how much dormant (dead) Blurt exists. Especially at the exchanges, some of which is powered up demonstrating some of the exchanges that helped themselves to user funds to help the takeover of Steem when Blurt founders took the snapshot.
My impression on the mood that led to Blurt was a growing dissatisfaction with the design of the vote theft mechanism (flags) and the takeover was the final straw for Jacob and Mega.
I read when I first got here (Jacob was involved here a lot then) concessions they made some mistakes in setting Blurt up in the haste they did. One of which was the many accounts dropped Blurt that were inactive, as well as exchanges who to this day refuse to list Blurt and hold all of that Blurt that belongs to their customers who owned that as Steem at the time of the drop. None of that Blurt on exchanges belongs to the exchanges.
The largest theft exchange being upbit. They are currently holding 59,486,549.940 Blurt that belongs to folks who held that much Steem with them when the fork occurred. If they ever decided to get into the business of running a chain like Justin Sun did that would make them a formidable foe.
Even second on that list rap7tq6vu58ujg holds 31,794,527.235. We don't even know who that is, and is worrisome if it is someone like the Berniesanders account. He has so many accounts and several that are just strings of numbers like that.
Just the exchanges listed in the top 8 have a combined 10.1 Million Blurt POWERED UP already.
Given the time frame that Blurt was made, the entire logic behind the socialgraph account was to ensure it would be difficult for what played out on Steem with the back door deal Justin Sun made with exchanges to be possible here. And despite the misunderstandings over the Dao as opposed to founders accounts that exist, the fact is that the regent account has virtually no power in anything left already and will have zero in a few days. Nothing will change in regards to rankings or anything else, and will be exactly what they initially said would happen two years ago despite the misconceptions being pushed around here.
It’s just amazing they can sit there and not bother about 59 million blurt which at one point was £150,000. They could at least withdraw it and give to a charity or a few bloggers they like
I have to think part of it might be their concerns over stealing if they did. I would think the true owners of that Blurt held on the exchanges would have a more solid case that would shift from civil to criminal if they ever move to sell it or use it for goodwill such as a charity. As long as it sits there unused they are only in violation of civil law and the odds of anyone trying to navigate that is slim. Get a law enforcement/court system involved and they will unleash resources and time citizens do not have with far graver consequences for the criminal.
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Only fools analyze the wrong math. From the beginning, what Rycharde had shown was not true. The lies are constantly being shown.
thanks.
Right, that maths was wrong.
One thing to do, as you did, is to scan down the richlist and add up all the dormant accounts - mostly exchanges, but not all. Most of those hold liquid BLURT but there are also some large BP holders.
The other is to note the Voting Capacity ;-) This was added fairly recently precisely because the BP alone gives an inflated picture of true activity.
The calculation for the above numbers, 38.7% of 259M, gives 100M BP. Although an estimate, this gives a fair approximation to the amount of active BP - no surprise to see the top witnesses have about this much in votes. ;-)
Thus, any battle for control of witnesses takes place with that 100M plus whatever is on active exchanges.
Hahaha. Real lies. Misguided mathematician.
I never viewed it as nefarious as he would gain nothing from such a lie.
I view it more like this.
source
Everyone in that picture holds a valid extension of the elephant in their hands. And in turn they each believe what appear to be contradictory observations that are true in reality.
It would take a lot of time and words to paint an accurate description of the elephant if one were to go into deep detail on every part of the elephant.
I view the presentation he makes weekly to be one where he is just saying
so as not to confuse folks with a large 5000 word dissection on all of the parts. I imagine most wouldn't read such a work if he did put in the effort as many seem to shy away from math and appreciate someone who simplifies it as he is doing for them. My examination wasn't meant to be a critique as much as an examination on two of the limbs if you would.
I note in his response to myself he actually does mention he addresses a little more into my examination than I understood with the voting capacity. Which is further proof of how easy it is to get lost in these descriptions as I was ignorant he was accounting for some of the (dead) dormant stake that exists here in his reports. It's easy for these type of disconnects to happen once we label something. In my mind I viewed/labeled this as dead stake and it was pointed to me that a better description is dormant, and in my mind the same label dead stake and his use on his reports voting capacity.
Just curious, but did attacking him do anything for you, make you feel satisfied? Help scratch that itch of anger inside of you? Do you feel it contributed anything of value?
erm, complementary - voting capacity is the un-dead, un-dormant, wakeful stake ;-)
or an approximation thereof!
I just posted the latest "weekly", and mentioned the VC again. Also that it was designed to be a tracker rather than an accurate estimate. Real activity is reflected in the recent claims, but that is a 15-day trailing indicator, whereas VC is a current estimator. Thus if VC rises one week, then claims should rise next week - given other things equal.
Yes, the lightbulb went off last night once you explained it :)
It's a good demonstration on how the labels we decide on can limit how we are viewing something that is using a different label. I normally don't worry over this stuff as well which helped contribute to my ignorance.
I only concerned myself with it here based initially on the presentation of numbers that were giving a misleading view of what a stake battle could look like. The more I looked I saw such positive news from the numbers on dormant (dead) stake putting us much closer to scarcity than one would originally think. I about fell out of my chair seeing how much liquid Blurt upbit alone holds for example. Under a free for all stake system which is the current topic they alone would be pretty hard to stop if they decided they wanted to branch out into the blockchain control business. Unlikely but wow.
Right, and Steemit only had in place an agreement for exchanges not to interfere with governance - there was nothing in the code to legitimately block (as agreed) such accounts from doing so - hence binance were able to powerup and help JSun ;-) code trumps words!
Indeed, BLURT is scarce!
Misguided words.
Prove it Sherlock!
Hahaha, this is a great challenge.
Not Dead Blurt, but rather Dormant Blurt. Dead accounts can be considered dead only when there is concrete confirmation that the owners of those accounts have lost their keys. Otherwise, you are making a dangerous assumption; one that the leadership would be wise not to indulge.
Yes, that would be a more accurate term, thank you. While I find it unlikely most of the dormant accounts will ever become active, that possibility is there. I was not as critical in the naming as my focus was on exposing the large amount of Blurt that is not in play. Due to this fact it wouldn't take near as much enthusiasm for the token to explode in value as so much of it sits there for a long time now unused.
I honestly hope that you are correct, although I am not a fan of the token value exploding. As an investor, obviously yes! But as for increasing the userbase, absolutely not!
I've been ready for years now for an explosion of this kind, lol.
I'm not sure on how much it would hinder as I've often thought due to the low valuation and velocity that many have viewed Blurt as less than it is.
I've been in sales a lot of my life and there is a saying that always cracked me up.
I think there are too many attempts to equate real life experiences and knowledge with what happens on Blurt. This is why I am always laughing at how serious people are about what they believe is going on here. And I witnessed the same thing on Steemit, only on Steemit I took the company seriously because they are indeed a bona fide company. So my commentaries were a bit different in that I would try to help people understand how to deal with an authentic, legal company running a cryptomedia social platform. I see Blurt as a private project until proven otherwise. This is why my commentaries and my humour is so different here.
I truly imagine this place like an MMORPG (Massively Multiplayer Online Role-Playing Game) in which we earn tokens for the roles we choose to play. So I have nothing against calling the leadership's squad The Blurt Foundation because for me it's like when you form an alliance in these games to win more tokens, take power and role play! 😊
I see it as more than that myself. Since I first stumbled onto Steemit years ago, I quickly fell in love with the economic model that would allow someone of my meager means to be able to help someone else financially, and further get rewarded for such an action. That here at Blurt they took away the flag downvote that could erase such an intent.
While I have had my doubts over the last several years that this endeavor will ultimately ever change my status economically, while I wait and see it gives me satisfaction to see firsthand that my actions can still be of benefit to another. Especially those who are under harsher economic boots than myself and despite the low valuation it still has an immediate impact in their corner of the world.
I'm a pretty serious person, possibly the most serious many will cross paths with. I despise the masks so many wear, and believe that in my years on these forms of platforms have met others who are of similar mind.
This I appreciate very much! And I learned this while on Steemit. In fact, it was the Steemit Team who in responding to one of my comments, shared that insight with me. I was suggesting that their efforts to seek out developers would be fruitless because the value of STEEM was around $0.12 at the time. They responded by saying that they were recruiting developers from places like India, Africa and South America, where that $0.12 goes a long way. So I honor your objective, and in that context, a slightly higher valued token would be terrific!
This is why I have always enjoyed following you from day one... and your upvotes are nice too! 🤣 😉 🙏
I remember when I first got to Steem. I was (and still am largely) skeptical of crypto. But Bitcoin had recently hit 20k and was beginning its descent and I was curious enough how something as worthless as Bitcoin could have folks paying so much.
It didn't take me long as I poked around Steem before I started seeing it.
There was a young man from Africa whose post put it all into perspective. He was showing pictures of his new shoes, and eatign at a restaurant with his friends. He was thanking Steem, as before his life was one where one didn't own new shoes or eat in a restaurant. His story humbled me as I realized this rare opportunity I had stumbled on to help others get their shoes and meals.
I was blessed to be part of one group who helped many less fortunate, ones targeted by a corrupt law system and who struggled to buy food and basic necessities.
Underneath all of the games and masks that take place in these systems there is an underlying realness that forms real bonds and the lightening of loads on some shoulders just not possible for many elsewhere. Struggles and heartache that for many seems no one cares, no one is coming to help, and yet here of all places we see that some do.
I can ramble on this a lot as you can tell. Even if and when this shit all folds, very possibly before it would make any personal financial difference for myself, there is much to be said of being able to look at our brothers and sisters toiling away just to tread water and make that shit lighter, even if just for a day or a few years. Regardless of how this unfolds, I've been blessed and have seen many others blessed. Heroes such as Mr. Cornell, Canadian-Cocanut and so many others of lesser means that together are able to make miraculous things manifest.
Thank you. :)
I appreciate often how your mind works.
haha, now even scammers are using that to excuse their scam :
How fast they are. Trying to find an excuse by being a dormant account. lol
I looked that account up this morning on Hive and feel comfortable that a hack did take place.
I think it more probable that small accounts are at risk than the larger ones like exchanges though. I've always been wary of using third party apps as to me that is the strongest point of failure in securing ones keys.
We even saw here some time back one of the third party apps on Blurt had kept everyones keys and helping themselves to the accounts.
Doesn't say they got their account back! ;-)
yeah, I should take my words back. Can't be deleted in the blockchain. lol
im confused now! was agreeing with you - no human user is going to write such a cold calm piece without saying that they'd got the account back and apologise for any transgressions during the hack. It's like a really bad hack-actor.
I don't know as well, @mineopoly said in this comment that he knows the owner of the account : https://blurt.blog/blockchain/@mineopoly/re41bz
And I guess @saboin also mentioned that the account is legit.
I'm confused as well.
It's all a Ballo in Maschera.
OK, the attack is possible in case when the BP from exchanges and dead accounts is used.
This is what I would accept:
return of 45 million BLURT (socialgraph, initblurt) to the DAO
the funds that have been already transferred to "foundation" members remain their property
newly powered up BLURT will become eligible to vote for witnesses only after 30 days (if I am not wrong this mechanism is used on Hive)
"Quiet Regent" - if it turns out that someone is trying to gain control of the blockchain using BP that was not purchased on exchanges, the Regent can be activated by witness consensus. (we have 30 days to determine if we are under attack)
stop all contact with hivewatchers idiots
no discord bans for witnesses
I can't speak on what you would expect, other than I believe things have deteriorated much do to the presentation that has been made.
I've thought since the beginning that you raised some valid questions, but I think that the insinuations you made closed the door on them being examined by those who would examine them. Between that and your lack of a plan for the smooth running if they walked away and/or forked were huge miscalculations. Obviously the response that finally came was an over the top reaction as the attacks grew. I'm thankful that Jacob stepped in and took that burden from megadrive.
I really wish you could have approached all of this in a softer way, and felt them out.
I came here when the price was really down because I was inspired by my research into Jacob. I believe he is reasonable and I suspect if somehow you could have reached out to him (perhaps on Twitter where he is active) and spoken with him on his thoughts regarding the Regenct and the Dao the results here could have been vastly different from where we currently sit.
I know he was not a fan of many of the ways this was set up, but I'm under the impression they were more interested in setting up a safe chain from the Justin Sun takeover coupled with the flaw of the down vote.
Since this topic came up I've spent time looking into the intent and thoughts on it and found a couple of things that stood out to me.
Here is Jacob saying he felt the regent account was a mistake.
https://blurt.blog/blurt/@jacobgadikian/cblurt#@megadrive/qx3dyi
Here from about the same time period is a comment (that even I participated in) where he says he never intended to build something that he would be the leader of. He mentions again the flawed system of our proposal system here.
https://blurt.blog/blurtgerman/@jacobgadikian/qwgeck
I think that this all could have went so different if the approach made was different.
You raised valid questions that quickly got obscured by the growing insinuations you were and have been making.
As far as I know you are probably the largest single handed buyer of Blurt. Your actions leading up to this before the gotcha post from double-u garnered much appreciation from the community and I think it also fair to say much of the rise in value was due to your purchase.
I suspect that you would have met with better results with a much softer approach.
As for the demands
I'm assuming whatever funds have been transferred would indeed remain as my understanding is they were payment for services.
I'm unclear on the Dao part. It seems I'm hearing it will not be presented to the community for proposals. I could be misunderstanding, or if understanding correctly perhaps an overreaction still made out of anger. I'm not attached to a decision either way other than I dislike all of this anger and accusations taking place to shift community anger that has been tearing apart instead of building.
At the other chains the Dao has been abused time and again by the large stakeholders at times, so I've never really cared as votes as low as mine realistically have no say regardless. And like I said, I came because I admire Jacob.
I also agree with the eligibility for voting although it seems anyone willing to play a waiting game could simply power it up and wait the month.
The quiet regent idea is interesting.
I also am not a fan of anyone from Hive having influence here. Many like myself left there for a reason. I was almost done with my power down there before ever hearing of Blurt. I was simply done with this entire crypto social experiment. So other than some collaborations they have, Hive should have zero influence on the conduct and structure here.
I'm personally not a fan of Discord and never had an account there. I've always suggested that serious discussions would be best taking place in the light of the chain itself where everyone could evaluate for themselves what is taking place and how they wish to proceed on that. I agree that if witnesses must use the Discord that it seems overhanded to force a witness out of the chat if they are not aligned with the tone of the discussion. Witnesses are supposed to in theory represent the stakeholders and as such at least they should not be denied access from these meetings.
As much as I dislike the privacy of Discord, I think if any sort of middle ground between yourself and Jacob/Mega can be reached it will have to take place somewhere neutral where the charged crowds on each side are not present.
I also think it would be a waste of time to go in with demands, and would work better if you sought clarifications and if they are distinctly different than previous positions given to ask for the reasoning, and all of this in a non attack mode way that would allow for the anxiousness that has grown to perhaps subside.
You've done a lot for Blurt and it's been horrifying seeing this all turn so toxic so quickly.
I've said this a few times now - back when I had a Steem community I asked them flat out, why they used Discord instead of the chain. The majority answer was that they perceived Discord as more anon and didn't want their goofing around on chain! This was 4 or 5 years ago - this aspect seems not to have changed.
Maybe there is a flaw in the assumption that the immutability of on-chain text is actually valuable to the majority.
In many cases that implies a weak character that fears others knowing ones positions on certain subjects. It also allows for speculations on collusion and back door deals and much more unfortunately, even when it isn't the case.
Sometimes people like to talk about personal things, and they prefer to not put them in the chain. Why some group want us to be naked in the blockchain. To make fun of us ? Of course, I would like to have private chat with people I trust. Let's suppose I liked a girl, will I try to communicate with her in a place where everyone else see that ? Of course, I would like to contact here privately. I don't think people in other blockchains never had private discussions. Some privacy should exist, even in the most transparent blockchain in the world. While I think such blockchain simply doesn't exist. Will Vitalik Buterin reveal all his plans and how Ethereum is working, and why it was created, why that gas was implemented, and many other things most people will not know about. They for sure have hidden things they do. Anyway. Privacy is needed anywhere !
Chain business shouldn't be personal business and if it is treated as such then it gives fertile ground for speculation that unsavory conduct and goals are taking place. It also assumes that in a situation of such drastic measures none of the witnesses will object on principle and then screenshot and leak the conversation.
That is not a fair equivalence to a meeting among founder and witness where a discussion is taking place on the freezing and ejection of members of the community on a platform that has a main pitch of being a place one can have freedom of speech. For those who come here because that was the appeal have a right to know (in my opinion) which witnesses were in favor of killing free speech and either withdraw their vote for that witness or do what I was going to do and just quietly power down and leave.
I'm not talking of trade secrets here, but such a drastic alteration away from the entire premise of this chain is something everyone here should be part of at least in transparency. I WANT the Foundation to stay running this ship and even I found that move to be to much and was going to bow out.
In a free speech zone we are going to be confronted often by positions we disagree with and sometimes to a degree it makes our stomach turn. The burden is on those willingly going into the zone on whether they accept those risks.
What makes a free speech zone invaluable is it allows for interactions that normally can't be had where things are censored.
I'll use someone here who was contemplated with being on the freeze list, lucylin. I go back to my early days at Steem years ago interacting with him. I agree with most of his views, but at times not with his presentation. I've held many discussions with him over the years on this disagreement. In a free speech environment he is free to continue on as he does, and I was able to say my piece on it which I have a few times. From there it is up to onlookers to decide for themselves where there might be merit. Some will love seeing his style and think I'm an idiot, others will look and see they agree with me. And others will look and think both of us are idiots, hahahaha.
The open discussion however is what is valuable. Folks don't have to immediately accelerate into asshole mode at the first thing they disagree with. But some will and that is a price worth paying to be able to have a landscape one can themselves be free in painting the picture we see.
So I disagree that when such a fundamental change to the philosophy of the chain is being proposed that those of us who have invested time and money have no right to see how this was arrived at and whom was in agreement with it. That form of secrecy only becomes a hotbed for paranoia and mistrust.
If witnesses wish to discuss personal matters they should arrange to discuss these things in private areas that have no bearing on the chain in important matters such as these. I couldn't imagine ever going to a meeting at work and diverting the topic to personal issues that have nothing to do with the business at hand.
Let me give you an example. Let's suppose people who are called wardens I guess. Those who put spammers in coal list, and scammers who are so dangerous to the chain and to people here. Should they discuss how to put a scammer, or a spammer in that list and don't let him harm people and the chain, privately and think together what to do with them, or they should put everything in the chain and reveal all the strategy about how to get rid of spammers ? For example such things I think should be private. I'm not talking about the witness part, but what about the part of solving issues in technical terms, securing the chain for example ? There are things that need privacy anyway.
I agree with you, that´s why I use Discord for several projects to talk on more critical topics in development and managing things.
Think about that, actually Blockchains are a business and because of that there is a lot of competitors for each of them including silently flying new Blockchainprojects that could get this way information what maybe harm older models and their community/stake(coin)holder. If all this decissions of the stearing crew will be transparent on a blockchain this not only would be a multi million dollar source for other developers but also for state or financial authorities who like to get a better understanding of your/our potential taxable income !!!
The Blockchain and crypto was ment to avoid losing the worth of our wealth by stupid politicians and Governments and their wrong decissions, so why should we talk on the BC about these internal things to let these useless guys having their easy work done without havind to work hard on it ?
We all need privat data and as you mentioned need a space where we can decide to whom (more or less, that depends on the qualitiy of information you have from your counterparts) you want to hand over some more internal informations, and not just hammer them in any BLockchain where a 5 year old kid can fish them out, not to mention the intelligence agencies around the globe which had manpower and more genious peeps wo do this jobs with the goal to grab as much information for let us pay a heavy tax on our hard earned and with high risks invested money, they don´t want to take on any risk the just sit beside and collect data make a file out of it send it to the right financial authority and they will send the bill to you and fille a lawsuit for tax evation against us.
Conclusion: 100% on Blockchain -NO WAY- there is no need for !
https://blurt.blog/blurt/@practicalthought/re3ese
There is an existing feature that could be built into something clever - encrypted memos!
Indeed, I'm not really sure why posts are not encrypted!
Steem used to have steem.chat - a fairly simple chat site.
The difference is that you need to login with your chain username so that parties knew they were chatting with the same people as on-chain. The site has gone now.
As in so many things, do as you please, especially when there are no rules as such.
Yeah, it doesn't matter where we talk. I was also active in steem.chat. Any tool of communication can work.
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